"Everything Basketball Training"

As the Director of Sports Performance for the Auburn men’s basketball team, Coach Damon Davis is a slam-dunk when it comes to getting Johni Broome, Dylan Cardwell and company conditioned and primed to fulfill their physical potential on the court.

The Petersburg, Illinois native is now in his 15th season on The Plains.

“I really just wanted to work with athletes,” said Davis. “I wrestled at Western Illinois University, so I have a background of being a division one athlete. That’s what got me interested in strength conditioning, because without being bigger and stronger, I wouldn't have been able to compete at that level.”

After graduating college, Davis interned with the Chicago Bulls in the early 2000’s.

“I really went there because of Al Vermeil,” explained Davis. “He's the only strength coach in professional sports to earn championships in both football and basketball, with the NFL’s San Francisco 49ers and the NBA’s Chicago Bulls. He's really a true legend in our field.” 

Davis, a Certified Strength & Conditioning Specialist, spent four years as an assistant strength and conditioning coach at the University of Iowa before heading to The Plains. When he first arrived at Auburn in 2008, Davis trained athletes in track and field, golf, tennis and baseball before moving to men’s basketball in 2012. 

“A lot of people would be really interested in what all goes into it,” said Davis. “Technology has increased in the past 10 to 15 years, and it's obviously becoming more integrated with what we do to monitor player load.” 

Auburn men’s basketball players wear accelerometers in their shorts during games and practices. These motion-sensing devices track and analyze player movement and gather data on speed, acceleration and changes in direction, providing insights into performance, training effectiveness and even injury risk. They also use jump plates that measure force – a valuable tool that gives Davis a deeper understanding into an athlete's power, strength and movement efficiency.

“Basketball is one of those sports that you need to be good in all three planes of motion,” explained Davis. “You’ve got to be good vertically, you’ve got to have good acceleration linearly to sprint down the court, and then you've got to be able to move multidirectional or laterally to play defense.”

With a grueling 30+ game 2024-25 season, Auburn men’s basketball is playing one of the toughest schedules in the nation. Intensity must remain high.

“We're training twice a week, playing twice a week, and on some level, the lifting and strength conditioning helps manage the fatigue,” said Davis. “The movement and the blood flow through strength and power training helps players recover.”

Without a doubt, Davis is a steady secret weapon for head coach Bruce Pearl.

“I'm blessed to work under such great leadership that has allowed me to be part of the success and have stability for such a long time,” said Davis.  “Coach Pearl has done such a great job developing this program and building it tirelessly.  We've had very little turnover. Our staff has been more consistent than any other college staff that I've ever witnessed.”

Davis is also quick to credit the Auburn Family as a big part of the team’s success this year.

“When you go to other places, it's not the same, the jungle is the jungle,” said Davis. “I love our fan’s enthusiasm and it's such an advantage.”

He relishes seeing the team’s hard work come full circle.

“When you get a group of guys all pulling in the same direction, I think you get what you're seeing right now,” said Davis. “You see the success, the brotherhood, and all these guys just having fun playing together, and they love each other. Yeah, it's special.”

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Transcript

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Welcome to everything. Auburn. My name is Carter, and I am so glad that you're here. Joining us today, my co-host, Dalton Odom, is indisposed today. He wasn't here, so I am running solo on the host duties. That's alright because I got another member of the Auburn family joining us today. It is Damon Davis. You might know him better as the director of sports performance for Auburn basketball. You also might know him better as coach D, or maybe even better as the Viking that sits on the end of the bench during basketball games. Welcome. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man. Just glad you're glad you're here. It's basketball, man. It's been your life for quite the while. You've been here for 15 years, right? This your 15th season? We've done some research on you. Yeah. Yeah, I've been with BP since he got here. So when I was here, previous to Bruce getting here. So I was, fortunate to kind of get, on the job interview with him, and, you know, he, liked me well enough to keep me around. Well, that's good. I'm glad you did. You did. And you certainly dressed the part. I'm glad to. If there's any question whether or not where you work, I can think I can deduce it today. Great job about being a, a strength coach. You can wear shorts and t shirts to work every day. There's not much dressing up in this profession. So this is your this is your business professional. And I'm actually happy we don't wear suits on the bench anymore. As as is probably the rest of the staff. So I remember back when so a little behind the scenes thing I used to work for athletics, did a lot with basketball, and gotten to witness many of the cool things that you do that are very often behind the scenes and not seen public. Right. If you could, you used to get I don't I assume you still do this. I assume this is okay for public consumption I did videos on it, so I'm sure it's okay to talk about, you guys used to have, like, some really cool, like, tech stuff. It's not just like, lift these weights. It's really. It's a lot more involved than you. I think the layperson would imagine. Sure. What are some of those, like, processes that you go through? I think a lot of people would be really interested. What goes into it. Yeah, I think like a lot of, areas in sports, you know, technology has increased in the past 10 to 15 years, and it's obviously becoming more integrated with, what we do from, you know, monitoring player load through short. You know, we wear, accelerometer in the shorts for games and practices. So you're getting lots of different metrics on accelerations, decelerations how many jumps they do, you know, kind of total load, if you will, over the course of a practice or a game. A lot of that's really for almost return to play stuff. So like for Johni right now coming back off, you know, as he comes back off an injury, we could look back at, you know, what a typical practice load for him is? Because, you know, when you, you know, the first day back, you don't want to put him at full load. So you can say, okay, he's been at 600, you know, in a typical practice over, you know, an hour and a half, we can say we want to do half of that so we can, you know, we can we can monitor some of that. You know, we also use dual force plates. You know, we do a lot of jump scanning with our guys. So we're looking at right, left asymmetries between between legs. We're kind of tracking performance through those, those jump tests that we're doing on a weekly or bi weekly basis. I'm trying to think what else you know, because I. Remember I remember that was really cool is because there's all those when we come in and, you know, I have a film degree, so I don't know what any of this stuff is, you know, I know how to lift weights like, that's up and down. That's that's where my knowledge starts and ends. Right. But you had these like the, the jump plate, you can measure like their force. And you set all these cool benchmarks at the beginning of the year is very individualistic. Yeah. And there's just it's so much more technical than I probably was ten years ago and probably will be, in fact, five years. It's just so cool that there's it's so individualistic for every single athlete. No. Yeah. And it I imagine it behooves them as well and gives you more information. It's just I think it's really interesting. It's really cool. On top of the fact that like, you just don't like players coming back from injury. I know you and Clark worked together. Yeah a lot. Clark, the athletic trainer for basketball. Yeah. What's that relationship like? Obviously you know you can't I don't want to get like specific specific injuries and athletes and stuff. But like of of trying to get a player who really desperately wants to come back. You know I mean you know how athletes are the worst thing you can do is tell you got to stop today right. You know pull them out of practice. It's the worst. Yeah. How do you kind of manage working with that. Because I'm it's for their benefit. But it's so hard. But you have all this data that helps out. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, Clark, like myself, I've been doing this a long time, and, we've been working together for a long time as well. So, you know, obviously he handles more of the, rehab coming back from a possible surgery or an injury. And then there's going to be a little bit of overlap between when they're fully cleared for activity, full activities in the weight room. So there's kind of this melding of, you know, his area and my area. So we got to be able to communicate. And you know he kind of lets me know, maybe things to avoid or things to modify because I think the last thing is, you said you want to do with an athlete is obviously give them complete rest because at the end of the day, if a guy hurts his ankle, there's still a lot of different things. You can train, around that ankle. That's true. You know, you got the other leg. You can do you can do some, some things that don't actually involve the ankle, like leg extensions or leg curls, you know, so there's there's various exercises that you can still give them a training effect so they don't train during that that time. Yeah. Like that. That's a good that's a good strength coach term there. Yeah d train d. Training, which is a lot of what we try and do with our in-season lifting. Right. You know, we're training twice a week, playing twice a week. So we're trying not to, you know, we don't want to get weaker as the season goes on. That doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to be able to build a lot of strength, because you got the fatigue that happens from the games. But on some level, the lifting allows you to manage the fatigue because I think ultimately movement, the movement and the blood flow and the training of of, you know, strength training, power training, helps them recover on some level as well. So, we work really hard throughout the, the summer period and the early fall, you know, training 4 or 5 days a week. And then once you kind of get into the season, you know, you taper that off a little bit. But we're still, you know, we're reducing the volume that we do in the weight room. But the intensity still has to maintain a certain level so you don't get weaker. Sure. You know it's hard. It's a long season. It tell me about it's 30 some odd games and it's wild. You know November hopefully April. That's the goal right? Right. 100%. So I did want to shift a little bit though, because I think there's a couple interesting things I want to talk about. First off, what got you into so as a strength coach. Right. Work performance. Right. How much choice is there in like so you've done basketball pretty much your whole career. A good amount of it. Yeah. Started well. So like I said, we've done some research on you here. Yeah, give it to me. So, some time with the Chicago Bulls. Yep. And then, you know, all the way from India, Illinois? Yeah. I'm from Illinois, originally. The Illinois, Chicago Bulls. You've been here for. I mean, you've been. Basketball has been a lot of your life. Yep. Basketball territory you grew up in. So is it always been basketball or is that always been the goal you wanted to work with or. Not really. I know I love working with basketball, but I never. So when I got in the strength conditioning, I really just wanted to work with athletes. I was just my goal is, you know, a lot of people any. Way you can. Yeah, just, you know, I want to train athletes. I wrestled in college. I wrestled at Northern Illinois. So I have a background of being a Division one athlete. That is what got me interested in strength conditioning, because without being bigger and stronger, I probably wouldn't have been able to compete at that level. So that's kind of where my interest in training began. Even though I train in high school. But obviously, once I got exposed to, hey, there's guys in college that trains sports and trains teams, eventually I realized that's what I wanted to do. So, intern with the Chicago Bulls back in the early 2000, 2003, mainly, I was there with, you know, the Baby Bulls, Eddie Curry, Tyson Chandler, Jason Williams, Kirk Heinrich. We were we weren't very good, but it's. Still pretty cool. You know, kind. Of the kind of the post Jordan era. But I really went there, to be honest. I went there not because, they were the Chicago Bulls, even though I'm from Illinois and I grew up obviously watching Michael Jordan and the Bulls in there and their six championships. But I went there because of Al Vermeil, who was basically a legend in our field. He's now retired from the Bulls. He's probably I think I was probably in his 80s now, but he's the only strength coach in professional sports to have championships from football. He won a championship with the 40 Niners back in the mid 80s, probably 84 I think, and then was with the White Sox and the Bulls for a while and then train the Bulls for 20 plus years. So I really went to the Bulls because of Al, not because they were the Bulls. So it's a good resource though. Yeah. No, he's he's really a true legend in our field. You know, just one of those guys that, like a lot of us in this field, you know, there's always something to learn. You can always get better. You know, the same thing we teach to our athletes, right? Like, you know, the same thing that Coach Pro preaches. Like, no matter how good we're playing, we can always improve. We can always get better. So, yeah, I was a big influence in, my development, and my, my career. And that's ultimately what led me into basketball. But I've actually trained, you know, you know, I was at the university. I was about five years prior to coming to Auburn. I train track and field, baseball, tennis, golf. When I got to Auburn, I was on the Coliseum in 2008. I originally started training all the track and field men and women's golf, men and women's tennis, and then did that for a couple of years. Then I transitioned to baseball for a couple of years baseball, track and field, women's tennis. And then I started training basketball back in. I believe it was 2012. So. I'd like to at least have one. I think focus. I think what makes my, my philosophy really unique is the fact that I've, I've had exposure with sports like track and field, which are sports where you're looking to peak at the right time of the year. I've been able to take some of that experience with those sports and and take it into basketball. Sure. A big part of that. Because, you know, because what track and field, you know. Yeah, the early meets they're important. But it's really about being your best. It SEC championships regionals and NCAA place. So just like with our team we want to be our best come March. Yeah. So I've taken whereas if you're a younger strength coach and you say I want to work with basketball and football and you just ingrain yourself in that sport, I don't think you quite get the the development and the exposure to different, different sports, different athletes, because I've, I've really taken some of my knowledge of acceleration and speed training that I've learned through track and field and tried to apply it to basketball or even a sport like tennis, which has a lot of lateral movement similar to basketball. So I mean, there's. That makes sense. You're finding a lot of similarities between even a sport like golf. You know, golf's about, you know, trans transit, you know, transferring energy from the ground into the club, into the ball, which requires lateral force. So, basketball is one of those sports that you need to be good in all three planes of motion. You got to be good vertically. You got to be able to have, you know, good acceleration linearly to, you know, sprint down the court, obviously, and then you've got to be able to move multidirectional or laterally to play defense and stay in front of guys. Not to mention the way that, you know, Bpy likes to play, which it's I mean, it's an exhausting sport, but the aggression, especially on the defensive side, like these guys got to be ready. 100. Percent. And and you've heard it. I think anybody who's Auburn basketball fan has heard it that BP, you know, cares if you can play defense. You'll play 100%. Being aggressive on defense is so exhausting. And to be able to play a 40 minute game and still be not as tired as the guy across from you, I mean, that's it's a lot of work that you, you have to put in to put the players in, to be able to be able to be their best. Definitely. Because, I mean, that's been BP's entire thing here, right? That it's been a lot on your shoulders, which is in the game. I'm not going to be as tired as as you're going to be. Well, and also playing 9 or 10 guys. So that also helps, you know, playing playing a bigger rotation definitely helps. It also helps on the side of what I do in the weight room, because if they play 38 minutes a game, you know, getting something out of them between two games is a little more difficult than when they're playing 28 to 32 minutes. So, and I also think that people don't realize that, you know, if you say, oh, he played 34 minutes versus 30 minutes, I got that's only four minutes. But over the course of 30 games, four minutes adds up to multiple, multiple more games you've played in your legs than someone else has. And so I think the fact that we try and, you know, play nine, ten guys and, you know, rotate in and out and wear teams down, also helps with our conditioning because guys know they don't have to they don't have to rest, you know, don't rest because you're going to get a breather, you know. So you got someone coming off the bench who, you know. And as you can see with our team, we're not going to drop off much when when the bench comes in either. If it's true searcher. So yeah, that's you know, working with BP now for 11 years. It's it's just become one of those things where I know what he's going to do at certain times of the year, and he knows what I'm trying to do at certain times of the year. And I think we've got a really good I feel really comfortable with our system that we've created, to develop that. In, in a long time, you know, here. And it's, I imagine it gets very familiar, very comfortable. And you can. Well, I mean, as you know, with, with SEC athletics or any Division one athletics, like, you know, there's a lot of turnover. So, I mean, I think me and, the guy at South Carolina probably got the longest tenure in the SEC, where there's a lot of guys who've only been in the SEC for one two years, maybe, you know, because think about all the new coaching hires and the is a 3 or 4 years. Yeah, it's a lot of work and it's it's a lot. I think there's some crazy things that happen working in athletics. You know the the time is it's a, it's a labor of love. It is. But yeah, I know that is crazy because it is a lot of turnover. You never know. And the crazy thing about turnover is it's like you know you got to move. Yeah it's crazy. And it's so it's so interesting that you've been able to been here be here so long. Family's here. Growing up like this is like home. This is home for sure. Yeah. My son was one when we moved here. He's a junior in high school and that's my. My daughter was born here, so. Yeah, it's, it's definitely home now. And I'm, you know, just, I'm fortunate. I'm blessed that, you know, to work under such great leadership that, you know, has allowed me to, to, you know, be part of the success and have stability for such a long time because, you know, that's rarely the case in our profession. You know, sometimes every 4 or 5 years, you're moving, looking, looking for a new a new job. And, you know, and I'm I'm a creature of habit, you know? Sure. I don't like change. I like, you know, I like routine and, you know, so it's definitely been a blessing for me. Wonderful. I did want to see, you know, as a strength coach, I would imagine you work out occasionally. I do not as much as I did when I was 30. Probably. The. Are you changed the emphasis a little bit as you get a little bit older, a little bit. What is a strength coach? A strength routine look like, you know, because you really got to be able to, you know, show it to the guys as they need it sometimes. Yeah, I used to be able to do it a lot more. You know, I could jump in and and lift with the guys in previous years. You know I'm 48. So the, the amount of, training days that I can tolerate and recover from is decreased. I probably, you know, switched, not switch, but transitioned to a little bit more, what you consider, I guess, cardiovascular or, you know, more aerobics, exercise stuff to make, you know, make sure your heart is healthy and that, you know, all areas of your body are functioning correctly. Probably more mobility work, but, yeah, I still, you know, I think maintaining strength is even as you get older, is is highly important. You know, I actually, work a couple of days a week with one of our foreign players, John Mingo, who's 75 years old and still lifts weights. birng it on, man. Yeah. You know, he's a retired, you know, his jerseys hanging in Neville Arena. So, he's a 75 year old years old. He's still competing, basically. So, Yeah, I'm I'm trying to be like him someday. Just. You think you're on your way? I'd rather. Well, you know, I saw one of my colleagues, in strength conditioning, just had a surgery, and I, you know, I, I text him and just said, you know, rest up. And he said, I'd. I'd rather wear out than rest out. So just basically means, like, I'd rather, you know, where, where things out than just be stagnant and, you know, rust basically as you get older. So, yeah, I still I still train, just not probably not as, as frequently. Sure. I think it's cool. And then you just mentioned that one thing that's really cool about working athletics is there aren't many people where you're currently at doing what you do. I mean, there's a few handful here and there, but there's a lot of people around the country. So you get to go travel and you get to meet your colleagues and the people in the same position. You get this really cool network. Yeah. Of people in this kind of close knit group. It's it's such a it's such a fun time to get to go. It's like visiting your friends, doing the travel. You get to go visit your friends. It is. Did want to ask you to put you on the spot a little bit. I don't want to out anybody. But if anybody comes to mind throughout, you know, Auburn basketball fans, we got a pretty good memory of some players. Yep. Anybody comes to mind that is just really was surprisingly just ridiculous in the gym that just maybe, you know, because we've seen it all before this some guys go in there and just gym and then just they'll surprise you. Yeah. Biggest surprise. Anybody come to mind? I've had some really, like, KT Harrel was a really strong dude. Yeah. Probably one of the strongest dudes that I've worked with pound for. Pound. You know, and just, you know, to me, it's just about the guys that that come in and do the things they're supposed to do, even when they don't feel like doing it, because there's a lot of times where, you know, you're going to be sore, you're going to be tired, whether that's in the off season or the season from games. And you're not always going to want to come in and do the things that I ask you to do. But you know, I believe that success leaves clues, right? And I think if you look at the guys that are still playing at a high level, you know, you look at Walker Kessler, Jabari or Isaac or Chuma, Jared or Bryce, whether it be in the NBA or overseas, like those guys were usually my hardest workers. Isaac's the one that I, I get to witness him. And the first time I saw him in the gym, yeah, it was the first time I saw I was like, oh, so that's the guy that everyone's been talk about makes, makes that makes sense. Yeah. He was he was a freak. Yeah. But he but he also never rested on the fact that he was, you know, even out of high school, he was pretty physically, you know, put together. You know, he had some really good physical qualities. But, you know, those are guys just come in and they do the work and they trust the process. And you know, there's days, you know, they just don't got it. But they still find a way to, you know, push through fatigue and, work hard. And, you know, that's what I try and I try and preach that to our guys is that, you know, I've seen, you know, I've seen those guys try and I know what their habits are. They're not they're not missing lifts. They're not now, they may not always, you know, you may have to make some adjustments day to day, but they're going to get good in and give you their best effort because ultimately they've got bigger goals. You know they've got goals to play at the next level. And it takes what it takes, right? Yeah, no, it definitely does. It's a lot of work. Just want to wrap things up here as we're getting look at my watch here close to time. Auburn Neville Arena. Auburn arena is such a strength. Hornibrook. Yeah absolutely. And it's one thing to see it on TV. It's as a single person. And you get to sit on the bench and witness it and see how it energizes the players. You know what's it been, especially over the course of your tenure here? It's gone from, let's be honest, not great. Not very. Correct to probably one of the hardest tickets to score in the SEC. Definitely. What's it been like to watch and kind of experience and get to see it day in, day out and see what it does to the team and the guys? You know, I guess you kind of get get used to it. But, you know, when you go to other places, you know, we went to Texas and, you know, obviously they take their athletics pretty seriously too. And, you know, it just it's it's not the same, you know, the, the jungle is the jungle. Our fans, you know, the fact that they're out there camping out before games or. I still can't believe kids are doing that now. That's wild. I never would have guessed that Auburn would be a place that people are out there days early, standing in line, getting tense. Me neither. But here we are. Yes. Great. I mean, I just, you know, I love the I love the fans enthusiasm. And, you know, it's such, it's such an advantage over, you know, any place we play, you know how excited our guys get when, you know, there's a big dunk, you know, the benches jumping up and down. And I mean, you know, we're around it so much that maybe you don't always appreciate it because it's just it's normal. Right. Like that's your job every day. Yeah. The craziness is just normal now. But, you know, the fact that, you know, we're going to have another game day here on Saturday versus Tennessee and, you know, I think it's, what, five years in a row? Yeah. Something like, just about that. We've had College GameDay here. Yeah. It's just about I remember I got to work the first time, GameDay came back. Probably Kentucky. Was Kentucky. It was 2019, I believe it was. Yep. Almost got kicked out because they did not like how aggressive I was being with my camera. But I remember it was like I still got the, like the beanie they give out that looks like the hoop in that. Yeah, that's sitting on my desk right now. I love it. Yeah. It's I mean, it's a lot of fun, you know, just coach Perles energy coach, you know, just his, his competitiveness. You know, from day one is, you know, I just he's he's done such a great job of help helping, you know, just developing this program and and building building it tirelessly, you know, just and I think we all kind of take a, a piece from him because, you know, he works as hard as the players, if not harder. You know, he's, you know, he watches film all the time and, you know, it's just like sometimes I got to encourage him to take some time for himself. And hey, let's get out and get on the bike and go because he gets so, so locked in to watching games and and doing things on my coach, you got to, you know, you got to give yourself a little bit of time for you just for your health and just, you know, it's a long season for him too. So, it, you know, it's, it's been a lot of fun to just be a part of. Like I said, it's, you know, 11. It's crazy. It's been 11 years that this is year 11 with with Bruce. So it is it is truly crazy and and he just I know he just became the winningest coach at Auburn as well. Was just wild that that's already happened. And I don't know it's been incredible to watch him and I was very lucky to spend a little bit of time with you guys for a few years there, which was a lot of fun. Yeah. Man, I miss it though. It is a lot of fun. It is. I've always loved basketball. I always loved the way that team, the way BP is built, the team staff, the way you guys all were. It's it's just a fun group to be around. And we've been you know, we've been fortunate. Just like keeping some of the players in the program. We've kept a lot of the same staff in the program. You know, guys have probably had opportunities to go other places. But the fact that we've got such continuity between, you know, Coach Pruitt, Stephen Ian Berg, you know, we've IRA. Yeah. In fact, we've had very little, very little turnover. So across the board is probably one of the least that that staff has been more consistent than any other college staff that I've ever that I've ever witnessed. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's true. And you don't really think about that. It's not very common that you see that. And I think there's a lot of that's like this place, a lot of it's BP, a lot of it's the, you know, the jungle. It's just all of it. Yeah. It's hard. It's, you know, why would you want to leave? I don't want to. I left and came back. I know you did. I could can't keep me away. Well, as we wrap up, I just want to say thank you. You know, you do a thankless job and a job that's behind the scenes. That maybe not, but Auburn basketball would not be the same without you. I appreciate that. It's been it's been a lot of fun. It's been a lot of fun. You know I've had some, you know, great players and you know guys that, you know ultimately just they give them they give their best every day. And you know, that's really all I can ask for is just guys that are, are willing to come in and, and just work through the process and come in every day ready to get better. And, you know, if you get if you get a group of guys kind of all pulling in the same direction, I think you get what you're seeing right now. You see, you know, you see success and you know, brotherhood and you see all these guys that just they're having fun playing together and they love each other. And, yeah, it's it's special. But, you know, I think when you're in it at this time of the year, you just you don't you don't get a chance. You don't reflect on it right now because all you're worried about is what's next. Like we got Tennessee coming up this weekend. You know we got at LSU and then we're on the road. So it's a great no there's no there's no time to reflect right now. And then when the season gets over will reflect on it. And then you get back to work. What was the thing from do you ever watch The Office? Yeah. What's the the thing Andy says. And that I wish there was a way to know the when you're in the glory days. I wish there was a way to know the glory days when you're in them. Yeah. But. Well, thank you for joining us. Thanks for taking the time. Good luck the rest of the season. You know, I'm sure you guys are going to keep having fun and doing well, but, thank you for joining us. And thank you for joining us. We'll be back again next month, hopefully with Dalton as well. He'll be back from injury. We'll be back again with another wonderful guest of our Auburn family. Visit our podcast hub visits, listen to some of our older episodes, see who else we've chatted with, and we'll see you again next time. My name is Carter War Eagle. Get a war eagle from you, War Eagle. Heck, yeah!